Signal was fed into the wires, which were induced to move by their proximity to bar magnets. At the time I owned them, I had the set up ideally in an ideal room, and had complete freedom in placement, as it was a dedicated room. The majority of customers getting started had modestly-priced receivers or integrated amplifiers. He drove them with his impressive 300 watt/channel Rotel power amp. New pictures to follow. Another option is plants of flowers. Very important with regard to integration. The 1.7 is a departure from Magnepan’s 41-year history of using planar magnetic drivers for the bass or lower midrange. Regardless, I'm leaning toward subwoofer implementations exhibiting low Q in sealed, and preferably servo designs. I'm another Magnepan fan that has gotten very good results from using a Velodyne sub (mine is non-ported) and you simply cannot tell that the sub is there until the music calls for very low notes. The F12 sounds to be in phase with the 0 setting. For decades, the SMG and MMG made the introduction to Maggies and high-end audio for thousands of music lovers. The technology began with an extremely thin, low mass Mylar diaphragm stretched across an open frame. I was absolutely in love with the Magnepan sound. I'll report on my efforts to integrate it with the Magnestand MMGs. With typical speaker systems, its normally a good idea to hand off much of the systems overall bass workload to a powered subwoofer, but with a Magnepan system this is not the approach you'll want to take at all. THe Sunfire XTeq 8 is $1500, has more power than you could ever need and has a dynamic equalizer to ensure seamless integration with you maggies. Though, like all Maggies (and unlike Apogees), the LRS is a benign 4-ohm load, it will still require a stiff shot of power to get it up on its feet and dancing. There is a Maggie system in their living room, but, it is TOTALLY invisible. The Definitive Technology Supercubes are one example. The REL subs are lightning fast, tonally accurate, and wonderful at seamlessly integrating with a wide variety of speakers. Wendell (and therefore presumably Magnepan) is of the opinion that a "normal" subwoofer (sealed, ported, or infinite baffle) simply can not be successfully integrated with any planar loudspeaker, even if implemented in a "Swarm". Speakers, Soundbars and Subwoofers ; Suggestions for a sub with Magnepan MMG Sign in to follow this . I might even play around with various high pass filters to completely relieve the MMGs below 50 Hz. Magneplanar home theater and stereo speakers have one common attribute: high resolution. Subwoofers are intended for below 40 Hz and are known as “slow” and “muddy” when used above 40 Hz. Magnepan's SMGb is a small planar-magnetic loudspeaker panel, with a planar woofer and Magnepan's proprietary Quasi-Ribbon tweeter. This is a video demonstrating magnepan LRS speaker set up for ideal sound placement. The subs integrated well located to the side of the main speakers along a wall with their cones facing toward the main speakers. The biggest advantage to sealed designs is size, they can be much smaller than vented designs. I have the F12 connected to the low pass output of the USP-1 with a 50 Hz setting and an RCA splitter into the F12 LINE IN inputs. Wendell (and therefore presumably Magnepan) is of the opinion that a "normal" subwoofer (sealed, ported, or infinite baffle) simply can not be successfully integrated with any planar loudspeaker, even if implemented in a "Swarm". You can quote all the theory you want or you can meet me at high noon on main street andI'll ... OOH, OOH, do ya think I could jump in and piss somebody off to...please? If you have the option, side-wall placement of the MC 1s will give the best performance in a shoe-box shaped room. Nice looking package. ... if you need more lows buy a subwoofer. I used an SPL meter and Stereophile's Test CD 2 to record the frequency response at my listening position, at 5 different phase positions. HFL on Magnepan Magnepan are based in Minnesota, USA and have been manufacturing their magneplanar speakers since 1969 when engineer Jim Winey came up with the idea. It was around $800 several years ago. I have tried some subs with various Maggies (MMG, 1.5 and 1.6's) and could always tell that a sub was on regardless of the music being played. They go down to 18hz wt 500w/ch on tap. It's just as thin: the DWM is 1.25 inches (31.7mm) thick, and it's 19.5 inches high and 22.5 wide (495 x 571mm). However, there appears to be much experience of successful integration of ported and passive radiator subs with them. I have the Hsu STF-2 subwoofer and am using it with my MMGs, and I think it's a great combination, both sound and price-wise ($350). If you get one in house be sure to let us know your impressions. Getting a little deeper bass is nice, but getting the bass smooth and deep is better. (It’s worth noting that Magnepan offers its own add-on woofer option, the Magneplanar Bass Panel or DWM, which essentially contains two bass drivers on one thin-film planar-magnetic panel. I drive mine with a vintage NAD 3150 integrated amp. The Magnepan DWM woofer panel Magnepan . I think it is evident that most ported subs on the market do not have the ability to handle the transient integration necessary with magnetic planar/ribbon/quasi-ribbon drivers. I will be doing further adjustments/testing over time but no rush anymore -- I'm pleased with it right now and listening a LOT. It is two bass drivers in one panel. When I read that, I laughed out loud. If Magnepan sold only the portion of the 3.7i or 20.7 that operated from 200 Hz and up, the question of speaker size would seldom come up. I'm now leaning toward the Rythmik Audio F12G A370-PEQ. My Gear- Mains System-Pass X250 amp, BAT VK-51se preamp, Luxman DA-06 DAC, Magnepan 1.6's, Thorens TD-145 TT, Dual Martin Logan Subs, Vintage Luxman T-110 Tuner, Other systems- Parasound A21 amp,Van Alstine Ultra Plus Hybrid tube DAC and Preamp, Magnepan MMG's, Monitor Audio S1's, PSB B6's, Def Tech Pro Monitor 1000's, Velodyne sub, Adcom GFR-700 AVR, Music … I use a REL Storm w/MMGs and the sound is wonderful. The term "subwoofer" means just that---they are designed for frequencies below the range of woofers (usually below 35-40 Hz). Designed for Magnepan Speaker Models Series 3 including: ... [offers 2 different elevations to help with subwoofer integration]. Of course, you could add a subwoofer for less money than the DWM, but it won't blend anywhere near as well with the .7 speakers. The reason is that Maggies are so fast and so pure-sounding that they make most subs sound thick, slow, and sluggish by comparison". For the past 5 years I have been happy listening to the little-known Quad 22L2 speakers with my favorite piece, a PrimaLuna Prologue Premium integrated amp. ... A subwoofer is required and I would recommend a small 8 inch sub with a fast driver rather than a big one. Click on the link below for instructions. I use Def Tech subs and found that with some tweaking, experimenting with placement and deciding on the right IC for them, I have no complaints about their integration. Put a small speaker in big room, too little bass. Magnepan also sent their DWM flat-panel woofer with the speakers. Lots of talk of the new ".7" Magnepan series speakers. I've heard many positive things about REL subwoofers in this regard and there was even a reviewer of the Magnepan MMGs finding the HSU VTF-2 adequate. However in room I'm getting fairly deep bass with the 20.7's, so my sense is that I would put the crossover on the REL pretty low, probably at 30Hz, leaving only sub 30Hz material porting "also" to the sub to augment the natural deep bass of the Magnepans. Some do not like planar bass, with it’s natural sound for acoustic instruments, they like punchy, dry bass, that box speakers put out with with rock ((since rock bass is played mostly through boxes. Situated in a 50,000 square foot facility Magnepan have so far sold over 200,000 pairs of their speakers worldwide, also affectionately known as ‘Maggies. The REL is a ported 10" by the way. ... “cheap” home theater style subwoofers need not apply. Adding one or more of the Maggie Bass Panels accomplishes the same results as pulling out the bass section of your existing Maggie to a larger size---as if it were like an accordion. Often the ideal listening position for imaging is not the optimum position for the smoothest bass/midbass. It does look like an interesting sub however, plus they offer a 30 day satisfaction gaurantee. Das DWM Bass Panel – Musik statt Subwoofer. Please verify the correct Magnepan speaker model number when ordering as each Ascension stand is resonant tuned and sized for the specific model number. Wondering if I could get some advice on what sub is considered a best integration with a Magnepan. but not much if any bigger. The Velodyne is perfectly blending with the the Magnepans., JV’s Reference System. Put a big speaker in a small room, too much bass. Because they’re “all-Maggie,” the DWMs might integrate … Oh yes. MAGNEPAN 1645 Ninth Street White Bear Lake, MN 55110 (800) 474-1646 I saw a used Creek 5350S which looked promising. Our marketing manager would like to add-- The model is his niece. I have had the Rythmik F12 since 12-30-2011 and, I haven't experimented much from the following settings, You can effect low and high pass filters with FMOD 12dB per. The Magneplanar Bass Panel offers you the flexibility to add bass diaphragm area to fit the needs of your room. I have the brand new .7 Magnepan speakers and have two choices of amplifiers that I can use and wanted your suggestion. Discussion in 'Audio Hardware' started by Progmeister, Jun 23, 2014 ... easy on them and take out the low frequency part that they struggle with and let the sub deal with that part as long as integration is seamless and now I have the facility to do so ie by using high pass filtered output on amp. Free shipping on all orders. With panel speakers? Any information on the Martin Logan Dynamo 10" sub in closeout right now for $450? Any ideas for new/used amps, power or integrated to drive Magnepan MMGs? Through trial-and-error, the position of mobile bass panels can smooth both phase and amplitude response for the preferred listening position. FYI, I put brass heavyfeet on my subs and the wood platforms I have them on...a nice way to improve your sub's integration. What kind of subwoofer would you recommend to match Magnepan 0.7? For optimum time-alignment, the Maggie Bass Panel should not be placed off in the corner like a subwoofer, however, since it only produces bass and midbass, the design has the flexibility to be hidden or incorporated into furniture. In general, these little panels are musical and a joy to listen to. It increase the total bass diaphragm area of your existing Magneplanars. For example, a cardboard cutout, the size of the Bass Panel, can be taken on a shopping trip for furniture. Or think of it like the difference between a 12-inch and a 15-inch dynamic woofer. Maybe I should have said there are better buys out there for the same amount of money. This is the internet, so now, apparently, we have to fight or something. Magnepan is all about better ideas which give verifiable, high-value sonic improvements. Subwoofers can be adjusted higher than 40 Hz, but you will achieve better sound by using the Bass Panel to optimize the bass of your Maggies. Place the speakers on the side-wall, about 4 to 6 feet from the front wall. When measured in isolation, the DWM's bass extends only to about 40Hz, but when coupled with larger Magnepans an interesting phenomenon occurs; specifically, the low-frequency outputs of the DWM and of the main speaker couple with and reinforce one another such that bass response extends considerably lower than either unit used individually. To keep everyone happy, our marketing manager, his sister and his audiophile brother-in-law did some creative thinking. ... [offers 2 different elevations to help with subwoofer integration]. The Magneplanar Bass Panel (DWM) is a dipole, thin-film, planar/magnetic bass panel. Taken in this manner, my estimate of the Magnepan's sensitivity was almost 6dB lower than specified, at 80.1dB(B)/2.83V/m. I figure I will keep rumble filter off except ON when playing vinyl. That's a load of bollocks!". The integration between the loudspeakers and subwoofer is seamless. I'm exploring subwoofers to take the sub-50 Hz duty. Magnepan 1.7 (Dark Grey/ Black Aluminum) Floorstanding Quasi-Ribbon Speaker: A new update of an old classic. Setup. The 135 degrees phase was just slightly better than other phase positions. As long as the furniture piece is approximately 30% open space for bass frequencies, the Bass Panel can be placed behind the furniture. Subwoofers are intended for below 40 Hz and are known as “slow” and “muddy” when used above 40 Hz. What is not common knowledge is this technique can be used up to approximately 200 Hz. I have integrated a Velodyne SPL1200. Yes, the Bass Panel provides deeper bass by getting a "bigger bite on the air", but the Maggie Bass Panel is all about quality bass, not quantity. I've concluded that a saving up for a Rythmik F12G will be my best option. Two "voice coil" grids drive one bass diaphragm. That sealed subs are 'faster' than a well designed vented unit is a myth. High resolution in home theater speakers creates the same “magic” for home theater as music lovers have experienced from Magneplanar stereo speakers for the past 41 years. After downsizing, I needed that sound again, but in a smaller, less ideal, dual purpose room. Interesting that your pre has the low and high pass outputs, cool. You can trade-in any component towards a Magnepan speaker by filling out our Trade-In Form. Overall, Magnepan has all kinds of superb speakers that take audio to another level. I have the F12 connected to the "bypass" set of line outputs from my preamp, while my main speakers are driven full range by the power amp. Highly recommended:  James Blake's self titled album. I have always been a Magnepan guy. But, they could sound like a trombone in a telephone booth in a small room. I've paired them with a number of Magnepans to great effect. I use two M&K MX-70Bs and I'm pretty happy. Finding the right spot to mount the MC 1s Magnepan MG10.1 Floorstanding Speakers user reviews : 4.8 out of 5 - 12 reviews - This video covers the amplifiers that can drive the magnepans. When used above 40Hz, audiophiles find the integration with the "fast" Magneplanars to be unsatisfactory. I have a small room, 11.5' x 15.75', and one sub should do, just to reinforce the low end and let the MMGs do what they do best. Not sure about the height... DIY oak stained and spiked with brass footers. More than once I thought about getting newer, better subs but....I'm just too happy as it is. By eschewing a cabinet, the speaker avoids the problems that all such box loudspeakers face – namely cabinet resonances, port chuffing and quacking, to name but a few of the issues. Over the next several weeks I'll be doing some frequency sweep tests to see if there are any peaks or nulls at my listening position. looks good, as it is a sealed sub that is designed and implemented by the right guys - who just might know what I'm talking about, when it comes to integrating with a panel speaker. "Let the Maggie Woofers carry most of the Systems Bass Workload. The Magnestand MMGs are powered by UPA-1 monoblocks fed by the USP-1 high pass outputs also set at 50 Hz. Mini Maggie Satellite: •The Mini Maggie satellites features true ribbon tweeter (… I use Def Tech subs and found that with some tweaking, experimenting with placement and deciding on the right IC for them, I have no complaints about their integration., “Definitely the best (video) I've seen from our (high-end audio) industry”, “half-time at Super Bowl quality… I love how silly-fun it is”. Magnepan is all about better ideas which give verifiable, high-value sonic improvements. Europe default gets a version with higher-spec passive components, the SMGb/SE. Those same folks use vented woofer/sub enclosures in many of their hybrid designs as well. Basics The standard Mini Maggie package consists of three elements: two dipole Mini Maggie satellite speakers (9-inch x 14-inch) and a single panel, dual-channel dipole DWM lower midrange/bass module (19.25-inch x 22.5-inch). I prefer to use a wideband noise signal and a B-weighting filter; this filter reduces the effect on the measured value with speakers having extended highs or lows. You will need a subwoofer, unless you just don't care about bass. There are technical reasons why … What the MMGs offer—quite possibly better than any product (save the new Rega Brio-R integrated amplifier) we’ve reviewed with a budget price tag—is a serious helping of genuine high-end sound. The lower the crossover point the easier it is to get good integration between the two. What are you using as wood platforms? There may be others. Magnepan 30.7. From Magnepan website: The LRS (Little Ribbon Speaker) is a full-range quasi-ribbon speaker that was designed from the ground up to give you a pretty good idea what to expect from the 20.7 or 30.7. A visitor to named billmilosz commented: "Compared to these, everything else sounded like it was coming out of a cereal box." This may seem illogical, but it is necessary for the proper integration of the center channel midrange and bass. I shuddered at the thought of trying to integrate a sub with the big Maggies. Why not just put the footers on the bottom of the subs? I cross them at about 80 Hz using an M&K LP-1S high-pass filter and the integrated low-pass filters on the subs. "DWMs are designed with dual, interlaced sets of 'voice coils' so that the DWM can be run either as a two-channel or single-channel woofer. The results may suggest F12 PEQ and USP-1 bass management adjustments to dial it in. Any ideas about which subwoofer would mate the best with these? Magnepan speakers are American made with virtually all American parts. They are cheap enough to try to see how much they affect the sound. The relatively high crossover point ML uses in their smaller models shows the differences in radiation patterns in a bad light (to me). Ultimately I didn’t keep any of these subs in my system. Wow the F12SE goes deep, comfortably. Well, in 2017 it seems Magnepan now recommends their new and improved bass panel to be used with ALL their speakers, including the 20.7, so it appears if they had offered this back when I had my 3.7s I just might have been able to keep them, for an extra $1,600.00 for (2) panels. The LRS is not your father’s first Magneplanar. Magneplanar home theater and stereo speakers have one common attribute: high resolution. Standing waves can be trouble-some, creating peaks and dips in the bass response. Subwoofer integration with Magneplanar MG 12. First, as they are dipoles, they require at a bit of space around them, four or five feet if you can manage it, but you can probably get away with a bit less. When doing match ups with electrostatics or the like, the best result happens when you find subs that have, lets say, 2 or 3 8" woofers. Magnepan rates the sensitivity of the LRS at 86dB/500Hz/1m/2.83V, but independent measurements have put its sensitivity at closer to 80dB—which is down in Apogee/MBL territory. Magnepan DWM If you happen to enjoy dipole planar loudspeakers such as those offered by Magnepan, then you may have discovered that there is a fair amount of online discussion as to whether those loudspeaker do or do not make adequate bass—at least relative to … Hello, I listen to a lot of jazz and classical music. I don't know how the MMGs would sound raised 15" though. 2.1 setup Post by Blueguitar » 12 Nov 2014 13:35 Thank you everyone for the replies - I will run my Paradigms full range attaching the subwoofer to the preamp outputs in my Exposure 2010s2 Integrated, creating, I guess, a mono sub-bass channel. Followers 0. I wound up using two DWMs with our 3.7i's, using beefy Magnepan-supplied 1400 mH inductors to roll-off unwanted and unnecessary mid-bass, while taking advantage of the extra low-bass power and extension the DWMs provided. The F12 crossover is set at 120Hz to "get out of the way" of the USP-1 bass management. Accoustically, the Maggie Bass panel is the same as the extra 3 inch diameter of cone woofer. Even though you will probably be using a subwoofer, set your receiver or processor for "no subwoofer." High resolution in home theater speakers creates the same “magic” for home theater as music lovers have experienced from Magneplanar stereo speakers for the past 41 years. The low pass crossover is selectable from 30 - 80 Hz. It is common knowledge that multiple subwoofers can be used to fine-tune and smooth the bass. Let us know what subs work out for you and how they integrate. In general, it is true. We hope you will take the challenge. The Maggie Bass Panel can help fine-tune any of our models, even our flagship 20.7s. I've got a F12 on order. There is a noticeable sonic transition to subs with tall Magnepan’s, because Magnepan’s have tall bass waves, and subs have short bass waves. And in the last few years I thought I had found a reprieve from the subwoofer wars, because the newer Magnepan 20.7s produce truly deep and well-controlled bass in my room. Even that costs 25% more than the MMG's. (It may be necessary to use Y adapters.) Subwoofer for Magnepan .7 . Magnepan has manufactured full-range ribbon and planar stereo speakers for 41 years. I use 2 subs to smooth out the in room bass response in my 3.6R based system . Most of the area of any full-range Maggie is devoted to bass reproduction. The larger, higher definition Magneplanar will sound better … Magnepan has manufactured full-range ribbon and planar stereo speakers for 41 years. The Maggie Woofers are not subwoofers. There are technical reasons why … However, all but one cost way more than MMG's. I paid $500 for my Magnepan MMG’s in 1997, which, based on my inflation indicator, would be $792 today. He likes to tease her that since her handiwork has been featured in the Portland, Oregon Sunday paper in the section of "My Home is Better Than Yours", something changed. At one point I sent them to a friend on an extended loan. The 14Hz FREQ and HI DAMPING is supposed to be the best setting for music. Founded by Jim Winey in 1969, Magnepan is located in White Bear Lake, Minnesota and has made upwards of 200,000 pairs of Maggies since, yet still seems to be one of the best-kept secrets in hi-fi. This is the only speaker Magnepan sells factory direct with a 60-day money back guarantee. I have the non-recommended list (sorry, had to get the dig in again:) Magnepan 1.6QR. Not any more. Magnepan speakers can and do produce bass, given the right size room and a lot of amplifier power. Subwoofers are a separate category from woofers. I have no explanation nor does the dealer & Wendell Diller @ Magnepan absolutely won't comment on design differences between 3.6 vs 3.7 and 3.7 vs 3.7i. Their magneplanar speakers are known for amazing clarity and performance. I have 2 sets of outputs on my pre, so will be running one set line level to the sub and the other set to the power amp running the Vandersteens full range. The Rythmik Audio F12 should be here this week. The 1.7 is a departure from Magnepan’s 41-year history of using planar magnetic drivers for the bass or lower midrange. I auditioned the LRS and they had it hooked up to the smaller Rega integrated amp and Rega CD player with good quality cables. What does the extra 3 inch diameter of the larger woofer accomplish? The DWM Bass Panel has no problem integrating with a full-range Maggie because it is "all Maggie". Their other products are only available through a select group of high-end audio salons. The sister of our marketing manager can have most any model she would like. The results were well and truly spectacular, yielding very low-frequency (think mid-20Hz) weight and authority, yet without muddying the inherently transparent sound of the 3.7i in any way.". But I suspicion they've made some crossover as well as the driver changes between the 3.6 & 3.7i to get the better integration. Here is a list of our available custom designed stands which will bring out all of the wonderful qualities of your Magnepan speakers. But, the Maggie Bass Panel affords far more than increasing bass/midbass output. MMG's may cost $550 a pair but they perform more like a $1500 to $2000 per pair, maybe more. Subwoofers are a separate category from woofers. Magnepan is known for manufacturing high value, high quality, flat panel audiophile speakers for stereo and multi-channel use. I was under the impression it would be very difficult to integrate and dial in subs, but it was not anywhere near as tricky as anticipated. Although it's only necessary to run 1 interconnect from the preamp to sub (if I used a Y connector) I run 2 anyway, 'cause more is better (maybe, and certainly can't hurt) to get maximum signal to the sub. This pretty much means Rythmik and Martin Logan. This giant, four-panel, four-way, ribbon/quasi-ribbon line source loudspeaker is the best… In case you missed it-- Set your processor for "no subwoofer" and leave your subwoofer turned off until you have completed a successful test with the Magnepan test disk. Matching subs with stats, Maggy's or almost any planar is difficult because planars are di-polar and subs are essentially omni-directional. Were I in that situation I'd look at Velodyne or Martin Logan for a sub. There are several subs on the market from companies like Velodyne, REL, HSU Research and others that I'm sure you'd be very happy with once you have them dialed in. I come from a previous experience with a Magnepan speaker, the 1.6QR. So I decided to bring some JL Audio subwoofers into the mix. Subwoofers can be adjusted higher than 40 Hz, but you will achieve better sound by using the Bass Panel to optimize the bass of your Maggies. It's on my personal favorites of 2011 anyway. The depth of the bass is unprecedented in my system. Many years ago, his sister had MG Is in her living room. There are many ways to skin a cat. There's no question that REL subs are good. That agreed with my ears as it happened, in this case. If you have a high-current amplifier, adding the Bass Panel is easy and inexpensive. Subwoofers can be adjusted higher than 40 Hz, but you will achieve better sound by using the Bass Panel to optimize the bass of your Maggies. The front left/right Magneplanars provide the bass for the center channel speaker; and the integration is seamless, having the same characteristics as the MMG C. Since the signal from the front left/right pre-amp outputs is "full range," the subwoofer receives all the … I just said that,"I have MMGs integrated w/ a REL 10" ported sub and it sounds wonderful." I was also looking at a pair of Elemental Designs A3S-250s to sit under the MMGs in kind of a Martin Logan configuration. Magnepan LRS review can be found in another video. Properly installed, and matched to room and amplifier with care, the MMGs give you the best swig of champagne on a beer budget that you’re likely to encounter in high-end audio. Interested in purchasing a new Magnepan component? I cross them at about 80 Hz using an M&K LP-1S high-pass filter and the integrated low-pass filters on the subs. Another example of creative installations that fulfills the wishes of both audiophile and interior designer comes from a relative. As the name implies, subwoofers are designed for frequencies below the range of woofers (usually below 35-40 Hz). I have tried more powerful subs, but they were overpowering, and I just couldn't get a seamless transition. The sub just doesn't slow the panel down or muck up notes coming from the panel. But one can't make decisions on price. Buy Magnepan flat panel speakers online. They are two Def Tech 200TL Prosubs that I stole for about $600/pair...they were mismatched leftovers from my HT supplier. I beleieve sealed designs require a larger volume for an equivelant output. Longtime Magnepan marketing boss Wendell Diller describes the LRS as an appetizer for the line, one that's designed to suck you in with its low cost, but then entice you to move further up the Magnepan food chain. The result was far better definition, clarity and just overall integration...they simply do not draw attention to themselves anymore . Re: Successful Subwoofer Integration? Thin wires were glued to the Mylar. It is also sealed with an extremely refined sound. The furniture is both a stand for artwork or it can be used for additional seating for parties, etc. When my listening space went from my spacious 14 x 26 family room (which also opened into the kitchen) to my 10 x 20 study, I downscaled in every way. Better bass for those difficult rooms and no subwoofer discontinuity issues. All members of a listening panel chose the 1.7 or the 1.6 in a blind listening test. it was worth the wait. The Bass Panel is essentially a small section out of the 20.1 and 20.7 bass drivers. In particular, if not buying the recommended sub from Magnepan. Basically they are a panel speaker but the voice coil of a … Currently developing: the 20 series stands, the 30.7 stands and the Tympani Stands. That reader was responding to my AXPONA report about Magnepan's new $650/pair Little Ribbon Speaker (LRS) which I presume he also heard at the show. The T3 at $799 with an 8" woofer is questionable. But, please don’t call it a “subwoofer”. Tell us more about your initial settings and any changes. Something DIY or a product? Crossed over at 47hz. Placement makes a lot of difference, in my medium-sized living/dining room area. Re: Magnepan MMG and subwoofer Let us know what subs work out for you and how they integrate. At $650 for the pair, the Magnepan LRS are a fantastic bargain. I thought building raised stands for the MMG's was one of the more popular tweaks? Loudspeakers: Magico M5, MartinLogan CLX, Magnepan 1.7 Linestage preamps: Audio Research Reference 5, Soulution 720, BAlabo BC-1 Mk-II Phonostage preamps: Audio Research Reference 2, Audio Tekne TEA-2000, Lamm Industries LP-2 Deluxe He opened shop in White Bear Lake, Minnesota in 1969. getting the dynamic and expressive characteristics of the two driver types to match up -- is tricky. The LRS speaker is a 48-inch-tall, 14.5-inch-wide fabric-covered panel that's just over one-inch deep. Just because someone got an unbelievable deal when it comes performance to dollars spent doesn't mean that they should skimp on performance in another area. His sister designed a dual-function piece of furniture (shown with the young lady) that she would like to own--irrespective of it's "stealthy" function for audio. Does a well integrated subwoofer remedy the purported weaknesses in Magnepans? Audiophiles can be nostalgic about the 6-panel Magneplanar Tympanis of the 1970's and '80's. Upstream I'm probably going with the Emotiva USP-1 preamp for its bass management to be set for 50 Hz high pass and low pass filters and an Emotiva XPA-2 power amp. The Magnestand mod sure gives a very nice looking speaker. I use the high-level inputs/outputs, a crossover setting of 50 Hz, and the level at 9 o'clock. The MMGs are going in to get "Gunned" in February. I also use wood risers and mapleshade heavyfeet under the subs and platforms...makes a huge difference for reducing boom and smearing and allows for a more seamless transition to the panels. Did that first and then lived with it for a while, but decided to try and decouple them even more from the floor...instinct I guess mostly . non-existant on much program material, and unless you are listening to pipe-organ music or very bottom bass or synth notes, mostly transient and reverberant information, like the almost subliminal *whump* after a crescendo, that keeps the excitement going. Just as importantly, the DWM is perfectly voice-matched to the larger Magnepans and is likewise a dipole radiator. You end up, eventually, hearing two different types of notes instead of a seamless blend. My system now includes an Emotiva ERC-1, USP-1 and a pair of UPA-1s, a ProJect Xpression III with an Audio Technica AT440MLa, an Akai AT-2600 tuner, a Harman Kardon TD4400 CD transcription cassette deck, Grado Prestige SR80i headphones, Magnestand MMGs and the Rythmik F12 subwoofer. MAGNEPAN INC. 1645 Ninth Street White Bear Lake, MN 55110 (800) 474-1646 JV’s Reference System Loudspeakers: MBL 101 X-treme, Magico M3, Voxativ 9.87, Avantgarde Zero 1, MartinLogan CLX, Magnepan 1.7 and 30.7 Subwoofers: JL Audio Gotham (pair), Magico QSub 15 (pair) Linestage preamps: MBL 6010 D, Soulution 725, Constellation Audio Altair II, Siltech SAGA System C1, … 4. All Magnepan speakers are based on flexible ferrite magnet strips (like refrigerator magnets), 0.060" (1.5mm) thick, typically cut to either 1/4" wide (mid-bass) or 1/8" wide (tweeters) and more or less the length of the speaker. I've been reading about supplementing my Magnepan 20.7s with a sub, the general preference being REL. This may seem strange, but it is necessary for the proper integration of the center channel bass. Browse a range of legendary audiophile speakers with incredible sound. I have a Sunfire Tru SuperJunior which is model prior and it is an awesome sub. The LRS 60-day, money-back, home-trial program allows you to sample Magnepan's full-range ribbon technology for $650 pair in your home against the very best box speakers (at any price). After tweakin the setup and moving to 3.6's I managed to get pretty decent performance out of them.